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During Wednesday's debate, Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard squared off against California Sen. Kamala Harris for the California attorney general post. Gabbard sued Harris for withholding evidence that would have saved an innocent man from the death penalty — until a court forced him to do so. Harris defended his record, saying he made significant changes to the criminal justice system. We spoke to Dolores Huerta and Cornel West.
Gabbard Vs Harris
NERMEEN SHAIKH: As we continue our coverage of today's Democratic debate, let's turn to Hawaii Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard, who is facing off against California Senator Kamala Harris over California's state representative.
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Rep. TULSI GABBARD: I want to turn the conversation back to the broken, unjust criminal justice system that negatively affects black and brown people across the country today. Now Senator Harris says he is proud of his position as a prosecutor and that he will be the lead prosecutor. But I am very concerned about this record. Many examples could be given, but he arrested over 1500 people for marijuana offenses and then laughed about it when asked if he smoked weed. He covered up evidence - he hid evidence that would have freed an innocent man from the death penalty until a court forced him to do so. He keeps people behind bars to use as cheap labor in the state of California. And he fought to keep — Jake Tapper: Thank you, Congressman. Rep. TULSI GABBARD: — there's a bailout system in place that affects the poor terribly. Jake Tapper: Thank you, Congressman. Senator Harris, your answer? SEN. Kamala Harris: As California's attorney general, I did important work to reform the criminal justice system of a state of 40 million people, becoming a national model for the work that was needed. And I am proud of this work. And I'm proud of the decision to not just say nice words, or be in the legislature and give a floor, but actually do the work to use the power that I have to fix the system that is . No adjustment required. Rep. TULSI GABBARD: The bottom line is, Senator Harris, when you could have made a difference and impacted these people's lives, you didn't. And worst of all, on death row, in the case of innocent people, you are actually preventing you from presenting the evidence that would exonerate them until you force them to do so. There is no justification for this. And the people who suffered during his tenure as prosecutor owe them forgiveness. Jake Tapper: Senator Harris? SEN. Kamala Harris: My entire career I have personally opposed the death penalty. And that never changed.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: So Tulsi Gabbard's question to Kamala Harris in her recording. Dr. Cornel West, can you respond to what he said, how Kamala Harris defended herself, and also the fact that Kamala Harris, after all, completely rejected what Tulsi Gabbard said, saying that she was essentially an Assad apologist, and therefore, can't be taken seriously?
CORNEL WEST: No, I think there's no doubt that when you look closely at Ms. Harris' record, she comes at a time when every elected official who succeeds is, quote, "tough on crime." So when you, for example, engage in the criminalization of parents whose children don't go, that's part of a deep conservative orientation that runs through the Democratic Party. He found it with Biden's 1994 crime bill, leading to the 84 crime bill. You see it with Democratic politicians.
But remember, you have Mnuchin, who is in the Trump administration's cabinet, who also has to go to prison under Ms. Harris, Senator Harris. He ended up backing away from her. This helps your campaign. what does it mean? In America, tough on crime, in its neoliberal context, often means tough on crime for the poor and vulnerable, but when it comes to Wall Street executives and when it comes to corporate professionals, it's not tough on crime at all.
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So I think Ms. Gabbard is starting to open some records, not just for Ms. Harris, but for Biden and many other neoliberals and centrists. And I think that's one of the reasons that Brother Bernie, one of the reasons that Mrs. Warren has such energy and vitality, which is the Democratic part of the Democratic Party, the progressive part, as opposed to the corporate part, as opposed to. On sections attached to oligarchs and plutocrats.
AMY GOODMAN: You know, we have to say we're having a renaissance of sorts now, because back in 2016 we had a lot of visitors. We have Dr. Cornel West who supported Bernie Sanders and we have Dolores Huerta who supported Hillary Clinton at the time. Now, again, Cornell West continues to support Senator Sanders' presidential bid, and Dolores Huerta is the campaign chair for Kamala Harris, Senator from California. Dolores, can you start by saying why you chose to support Kamala Harris? And he responded to Tulsi Gabbard's attack on Sen. Harris' record while she was California's DA and Attorney General.
Dolores Huerta: Well, I have to say that, unfortunately, Ms. Gabbard doesn't know all of Kamala Harris' records. As a citizen here in the state of California, I have to say that Kamala Harris did a lot to reform the district attorney's office when she was in the district attorney's office. One of the first things he did was to arrest two hundred people for the attack - these were party workers. And one of the first things he did was he said, "Give me these files and we'll make sure all these charges are dropped against these officers." In California, as attorney general, he actually did all of his work, which he did, to make sure that we had a civil rights division on some of the issues of racism in schools and discrimination against young people of color.
In fact, in the state of California, he is held in high esteem. I think Ms. Gabbard does not portray Kamala Harris as she is. And he's very, very committed to criminal justice reform because -- when you're talking about keeping people in prison, we know there are mandatory sentences. And then he made it clear that he was always against the death penalty. And in California, as you know, we now have a moratorium on the death penalty. So Kamala Harris -- and that's why I supported her when she was running for senator and when she was running for attorney general. So I think your record has really suffered because of the attacks on your record.
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CORNELL WEST: But Ms. Dolores, would you agree with me that Ms. Harris is wrong when it comes to Mnuchin?
Dolores Huerta: Well, you know, I don't really know about that, Brother West, so I can't really comment on that.
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